Re: Emoria: World-Building OOC

[Guest]

Thank you for settling all of this while I was away. Honestly, what you've all come up with is exactly what I thought it was to begin with... I didn't realize that there were...what, three separate areas? I thought it was just the Shadow Plane bleeding into that area of the Material Plane.
Honestly...the whole thing still kind of confuses me and I'm still trying to get it sorted out. But at least this has been figured out. I will update the shadow thing on the top.

[Guest]

Thank you for your ingenious solution, Plaguewalker I am going to assume everything is settled, and bugger Silv into updating the info.

Yes it tis all settled and I apologize if I have come off as a jerk.

[Guest]

The newest map and planes descriptions are available in the first posts. If you have an idea of how you want the landscape of your worldspace to look, PM Ryona and/or Bird of Hermes so they can work on their world maps. If you don't particularily care, then let them know and they will create their own version of the landscape of your worldspace.

*Edit: Ryona will read through the character descriptions as well, I know some of you have put great detail into your worldspace. If you didn't describe the landscape in great detail you may want to let her know what your ideas are.

[Sighlent]

Thank you for your ingenious solution, Plaguewalker I am going to assume everything is settled, and bugger Silv into updating the info.

Yes it tis all settled and I apologize if I have come off as a jerk.

No, not a jerk, just passionate. It's understandable when dealing with the things that we deal with on a daily basis. It's good! It just means that your story will be all the more richer. XD

*Edit: On another note, Silvone the spoiler you have set up for my map of the Sretin Providences doesn't show my map, just a map.

*Edit, Edit: I also think that you compile the descriptions of all of the places we've come up with thus far and make a section for them. That way we can go through and see what's what. If you do so please be sure to post the User responsible for this land's name by it so we know who's in charge.

[Kathryn Lacey]

I’m going to try to respond to each thing as I read it because there have been so many posts with so many discussions that I’ll lose my train of thought otherwise. I apologize if this post seems choppy, but I’m doing my best.


Immortal, don’t feel so bad. Today is the first day I’ve really gotten to try to work on my character sheet, but instead I find myself having to go through a bunch of politics to make things work. I may not even get the chance today now because my web browser is so slow ((and so is my internet)) that it takes me half an hour just to get anything done online.

On to the general discussion:

First, I just want to say that I am quite annoyed at Raptor’s audacity. I made PM’s to him and to Silvone asking for Silvone’s help in making a compromise for the whole Shadow Plane business before I was able to read any of this.

Why did I PM Silvone instead of posting it in this thread? I did it so that no one would be accusing anyone else of anything. I didn’t want any bad feelings to result. So yeah. I think that Raptor’s way of going about this was incredibly rude, and I’m offended. At first, I was just frustrated that we couldn’t reach anything that made us both happy, and now I’m offended and irate. This was exactly what I was trying to avoid. Ugh…

Raptor, just because you ‘say’ that you don’t mean to sound rude or accusatory doesn’t mean you really didn’t mean to be that way. I think you’re just trying to cover your own ass, and I think it would be better if you just took responsibility for what you did. Maybe you should think about what you write before you do it, huh?

If you honestly mean your apology ((which I would have believed had you not only been rude to me via PM’s but also took your rudeness to the thread itself)), I will accept it. However, your actions so far have not told me that you’re being sincere which is really bothersome.


Now that I’ve gotten that off my chest, I’m still irritated, but I’ll try to suck my personal feelings down to try to offer my valid opinions.

Second, I have no idea why the shadow plane and the material plane have to intersect rather than overlapping. Honestly, the only thing I understand is that the Shadow Plane’s ruler was curious about the Material plane, so he wanted to keep tabs on it. I don’t see why simply traveling between them couldn’t suffice for it.

Ryona, I’m trying really hard to work with Hermes so that we can establish something concise concerning the planes and the portals and the way they work. So far, what we have is that each plane is located somewhere around the world, and each plane has its own portal.

Each portal will transport a person to any other portal that exists for the other planes. If you are in the Material Plane and want to visit the Plane of Air, you can do that. You can also visit the Fire Plane or the Earth Plane or the Water Plane or the Astral or the Spirit or the Shadows Planes from the same portal found in the Material World.

If you are in say… the Fire Plane, and you want to go to the Material Plane, you will be transported from portal to portal. You will end up in the library’s sub-basement thing where the portal is. You will not end up just anywhere on the Material Plane.

However, it’s not as simple as standing on the portal and thinking of where you want to go. There’s a ritual or something that has to be accomplished. There is one ritual that is specific to each plane. The air plane has it’s own, the fire plane has it’s own, the material plane has its own, and so on and so forth. I’m working with Hermes to figure out just what sort of ritual or whatever it should be.

Another thing about the planes is that you cannot see the planes themselves from any other plane. If you’re in the material plane, and you go to the core of the world, you’re probably going to be burned up. However, if you travel from the Material Plane’s portal to the Fire Plane’s portal, you will be in that plane which is located at the core of the earth. You won’t be burned alive. Also, if you were to say, fly in the air and see the floating land mass where I think Hermes has one of her Plane of Air cities located, you would just see that land mass. You wouldn’t see the people or the building that are there in the actual plane unless you traveled there via the portal.

With the whole library portal thing, I was actually thinking that the portal would be located several stories under the library. I also thought that maybe only a select few people would know about it ((namely the people who own the library and those who guard it)). There wouldn’t just be stairs leading straight to it. I had thought of it being underground in a hidden chamber and all of that fun stuff. I wasn’t even sure if I was going to make my character, who is only a worker in that library, aware of the portal unless she stumbled upon some text or something that told of it.



In general, I really like the compromise that Ryona has suggested. This way, the Shadow Plane still adheres to the rules of the other planes, but the character of Morgarath is still in tact. I don’t mind his being one of the only living beings to be able to travel between the Shadow and Material plane without the actual use of a portal like everyone else has to. This way, if he traveled from Shadow to Material, he could very well end up in the Mountains rather than in the Library’s super-basement.

Actually, I wouldn’t even mind if he took it a step further and was able to travel from the Shadow Plane to almost any area of the Material Plane and not just from Shadow to the Mountains of Night, you know? I think as long as it was an outside area and not in a building, it would be okay. Others may not like that addition, though. I’m just proposing an idea.

Like Hermes, I like that this ability would be a corrupting power, and because Raptor’s character is already evil, it would be just fine for him.

I also like the idea that maybe it could corrupt their physical form into being a poster child for the plane from which they hail.


Raptor, which part of “collaboration” do you not understand? The whole point is that people have to find ways to make every piece of the world work together. That means that everyone else in the game has to be okay with everyone else’s ideas. When I make my character sheet, if there’s something that someone thinks is conflicting, I would be happy to try to find a compromise. I don’t understand why you’re being so difficult about this.

Just because you had it made before we posted ours doesn’t mean anything. Facts are that Hermes and I could have had our compromise and stuff all done before you ever started your idea.

Sighlent, I also like the idea that the people of the Material Plane may feel that the Mountains of Night are an ill omen, so they would try to keep from traversing them as often as possible. However, due to the location, it would almost be necessary for anyone traveling by land. It’s a really cool idea. However, I think that only the mountains themselves and not the shadow plane should be visible via the Material Plane. Another idea is that maybe the area seems to almost emit a darker aura that makes people not want to go there. It’s like… though the Shadow Plane isn’t visible, it’s still powerful enough to be felt almost?

Gunneh, I think you’re looking too far into this. No one has flamed anyone since Raptor was reprimanded by Ryona for his doing it to me in the beginning. Right now, we’re just discussing things, trying to get everything working properly. Just because one person won’t budge, doesn’t mean he’s being a jerk toward others for it.

I would also like to say that I like your idea for his having one kingdom in Shadow and one in the Mountains of the Night while keeping the two planes separate. This would just prove to be another reason why people of the Material Plane would generally want to avoid that mountain range, and it could also be why there is perhaps a bad aura of sorts emitting from it.

Plaguewalker, OMG! You’re a genius! What if the cracks are the whole reason why our characters have to meet in the first place? ^o_o^ If everyone else thinks this is a cool idea, we would at least have our reason for our having the counsel in the beginning!


Anyway, I just saw that you guys said that you’d finally resolved this, but I spent like… an hour catching up and typing this all out, so I’m just going to post it. I know I may sound bitchy in it, and I sincerely apologize. I guess I didn’t do as good a job of keeping my personal feelings out of this as I thought.

[Sighlent]

I love how you just addressed like everyone. That was totally awesome so...lol.

OH!!!

And I totally agree with your idea of the whole counsel thing! I think it's a perfect way to start the RP!!!

[Bird of Hermes]

I also think that you compile the descriptions of all of the places we've come up with thus far and make a section for them. That way we can go through and see what's what. If you do so please be sure to post the User responsible for this land's name by it so we know who's in charge.

This would help me greatly with making the map.

@Kathryn: I think you have clarified the portal and planes issue well. There was a lot of confusion before.

[Guest]

Hermes is right that the portal for the Material Plane is going to be located in the sub-basement of the library,

I have an issue with what you have done. My Character was made and plans have been made for interactions with other nations and everything already. What you have done with your singular, limited portal nonsense has completely ruined my nation, my character and all the things I have created.

I do not mean to offend or sound harsh but I am rather annoyed

This was my original post it was on page four and if you want to check you can see it is unedited. I stated at the beginning I was not trying to offend.

That being said it is clear that I did offend and I offer my deepest apologies for having done so.

Now to address the current state of things. I believe we have settled it so that the following is the case, The Mountains of Night are overlapped by the plane of shadow. Morgarath is the lord of the plane of shadows and the Kingdom of people who live in the Mountains of Night. He is capable of transferring himself directly from the plane of shadow to the Mountains and night and back without a portal. His constant warping has cracked the boundaries between the plane of shadow and the mountains and so the Mountains have become darker and more ominous than they were even before then. Morgarath also has twisted the men who inhabit the realm into something more in his own image, they are still human but are shadowed and dislike the light. Note he likes the fact that the mountains are becoming more like the plane of shadow because it furthers his own goals.

There is another large chapter thing in the History regarding Morgarath's kingdom and it's relationship with Dax's and that was one of the main reasons I did not want to change it. Because I too had collaborated with someone to produce the history for the kingdom. But since we found something that worked that is good.

[Sighlent]

Well I like it.

[Guest]

A question do you think Morgarath would show up at said council of leaders from nations?

I would say that he would actually be one of the most common people to appear there myself. Because evil doesn't mean stupid and who is better to put spin on his actions than himself.

What do others think?

[Guest]

I will try to get to work on updating all of the locations with detailed descriptions tonight after work.

@ Kathryn: I think I finally understand the portals and planes! Thank you

@ Raptorman: Would he be...in disguise? Otherwise it is kind of like the leader of an evil army showing up at the defenders camp to talk tactics with them...

Edit: That is what I was planning with from the beginning, since I thought that was Raptorman's original setup. I thought that the shadow plane bleeding into the material plane would be a great way to get the characters together. Since that is basically what it has come out to, then I saw lets go with it!

[Guest]

I will try to get to work on updating all of the locations with detailed descriptions tonight after work.

@ Kathryn: I think I finally understand the portals and planes! Thank you

@ Raptorman: Would he be...in disguise? Otherwise it is kind of like the leader of an evil army showing up at the defenders camp to talk tactics with them...

Morgarath is evil yes but not evil to the degree that his nation isn't viewed as one of the great nations of the world. Besides he is an evil that is reasonable and willing to negotiate. An gentlemanly evil you might say.

[Gabe]

Makes sense to me.
Something about my own character that I wanted to run by everyone to see what you all think:
Assuming this council was pre-existing body that met on a regular basis to discuss the going-on of the world, I'd like to introduce my character as the Ayren's first 'ambassador' or whatever the members call themselves. In general, world affairs outside of basic survival aren't of much concern to the people of Idona, but the idea of my character was that he (and a small group of other Ayre) convinced their warlord to allow their presence at a council meeting (an endeavor that required a bit of negotiating I'm sure) to make the needs of the Ayre people known to the world.

EDIT: However it goes, I just want to establish that having an Ayren present is somewhat awkward and unexpected considering their (generally accepted) barbaric ways.

[Guest]

Actually ditch the little 'florida' bit. I only need the islands

[Gunneh]

I wasn't reading too far into it, Kathryn, I was just covering that base. It DID seem as though Raptorman's dysfunction with the way things were going, as well as the wording in his posts, made it seem like it was going that direction all too quickly.

Don't hate me for it, guys: I'm not trying to deflate anyone's balloon or steal anyone's puppy, I'm just watching what is happening and acting accordingly. It's my job, is all.

[Bird of Hermes]

Don't hate me for it, guys: I'm not trying to deflate anyone's balloon or steal anyone's puppy, I'm just watching what is happening and acting accordingly. It's my job, is all.

No! Don't steal my puppy!

Just kidding.

You do such a good job, Gunneh, and we appreciate it.

[Dax]

Ladies and Gentlemen: time for a history lesson on (insert our worlds name here)
Ok, this is ancient history and and is talked about in ……history books… yah. However, this little… disagreement still lingers on today.

Very early in the histories of two peoples, explorers from Vatienne and the Mountains of Night landed on an island south of their respective homelands. The island of Illuria, as it was soon to be known as.

Illuria was found to be relatively large and simply exploding with rich mineral veins of gold, silver and diamond, among others. Due to the shape and sheer size of the island, the people of the Mountains of Night and Vatienne never met.

A couple hundred years after the start of the mining operations, the initial grounds owned by both Explorers League have been depleted. While moving in-land, they made a discovery a hundred times more interesting than a gold vein.

That of each others civilisations.

Though initially polite and friendly, seeing that no agreement could be made on territory concessions, relations quickly deteriorated.

The first Papus of Vatienne, Charles I and Morgarath arranged for a meeting to deal with this situation. The meeting was held in the middle of Illuria, neutral ground.

Once both leaders arrived at the defined meeting grounds, everyone was ordered to leave; leaving the two leaders alone and head-to-head.
The conclusion was disasterous.

Both leaders ended up throwing at each other the worst insults and it even led to the point where swords were drawn.

This fabled meeting has been made a legend by both peoples. Some say that it was the lord of the Mountains of Night that started the insults, others say that it was the Papus of Vatienne that ignited the conflict. The truth, however, has been lost throughout the ages. No one will ever know who started the conflict.
After the meeting and countless tries for the re-opening of dialogue, tensions mounted and finally exploded.

War was upon them.

Fierce navy battles were fought in the sea that separated the two nations and bloody ground battles of steel and magic were waged on Illuria itself.
In fact, on two occaisons of notice, the fight was brought to the very gates of the city of Vatienne. Another time, it was brought to the top of the Mountains of Night, but it always ended up in defeat for the attacker, being forced to retreat because of massive losses.

After 3 Great Wars (the First Great War composed mainly of naval warfare, the Second Great War ended up leading the armies of Morgarath to the gates of the city of Vatienne and the last, and arguably the bloodiest due to additional losses of Vatiennien forces due to dangerous terrain, to the Mountain tops of the Mountains of Night themselves.) and countless smaller wars, the two nations have finally ended the bigger part of the fighting.

Although Illuria is still subject to skirmishes and small-scale battles, war has been avoided... for now.

Map of Illuria


If there is anything we did wrong, tell us so we can change it before/if you add it to the front page (is there a section for that?).

[Gadreille]

Actually ditch the little 'florida' bit. I only need the islands

Ok, next time I update the map I will do that. Thanks for letting me know.

I'd just like to give a big Thank you everyone for particpating in this RP. I appreciate the activity, good and bad

Sigh, I will try and fix your map on the main page.

I would like to mention that I have physical descriptions for Raptor's, Deadeye's, Sighlents, Silvone's, Dax's, and my own world spaces. I haven't thoroughly read the character sheets so if your landscape descriptions are there, I will find them. I am mostly posting this as a personal reference.

Edit: I logged on as Silv and updated Sigh's map as well as Dax's, and put up the Spirit Plane information. Bird of Hermes, I'm not sure where he wants the info that you sent him, so I will let him deal with that.

Kathryn, I apologize that Silvone did not get your message, I was at school and he had the baby and puppy to deal with. I'm glad that you support the solution and appreciate all of your input. I didn't expect you to go over everything posted and you did. Thanks
K. I think I addressed everyone.

OH! Tomorrow is homework day for me, so don't expect much from me. If there is something very important you want to discuss, I suggest PMing me.

EDIT EDIT: Crap I completely missed Dax's post. I think the history is fine, but I'm really low key about all of this so I may not be the best judge

I think that one of the reserved posts is for History. This is Silv's call, so don't expect it to be put up until late in the night tonight, or tomorrow.

[Kathryn Lacey]

I am going to make the suggestion that there should always be a line of space between each paragraph when someone posts anything in character or out of character.

This just makes it a lot easier to read, and it's harder to lose one's place that way.

Also, it's not a big deal, Ryona. Even if Raptor's complaining about what happened via PM started out as a bad idea, it ended up being all right because everyone was able to try to resolve the issue ((and it has been resolved very well)).

I'm currently working on my character sheet, specifically the geography of the Elven country. I also need names and stuff, but I'll find them. It's just going to take more time than I expected because of everything that's happened between this role play and my computer being a pain. Bleh...

[Gadreille]

It's fine.

It's really awesome that by hashing out all of these issues we came up with a plot for the RP.

Next step is naming the world...I was thinking of taking nominations, and then having a poll to vote for the name? Or should we just have Silvone pick one to make things easier?

[Bird of Hermes]

Next step is naming the world...I was thinking of taking nominations, and then having a poll to vote for the name? Or should we just have Silvone pick one to make things easier?

I think taking nominations and voting would be fun, as long as there is no complaining once one is picked.

[Kathryn Lacey]

I think a vote could be fun unless no one really cares or wants to go through the hassle. That's not to mean I wouldn't be opposed to Silvone just choosing one because he tends to have creative ideas with names and the like.

Are we going to have each of us create a name and have us vote ((or have Silvone choose)) between those?

[Gadreille]

Anyone who wants to pitch a name can do so. We don't all have to, and in fact I won't to assure that someone wins (just in case we have the 'vote for ourselves' complex!) After everyone who wants to create a name has done so, I will make a poll in the Poll thread. After everyone has voted, the winner becomes the name of the world, and all other names can be recycled to use in our world spaces. How does that sound?

[Guest]

Ok...time to play catch-up. Let me see if I can remember everything.

@Dax/Raptorman: The history between your two world-spaces is great. I like it a lot. I didn't notice anything that conflicted with anything else, so great job. And yes, the last reserved post is for history/lore of the world, so I will post it up immediately.

@Ryona: I like the idea of polling for the names. I will edit this post when I think of a good one...but I'm sure you will hear it directly from me anyway.

@Gunneh: I was just as worried as you were. I saw Raptorman's first post concerning this...problem, but had to go to school. I hoped it would be resolved fairly and nicely but had no way to moderate the discussion myself. Thank you for being on top of it and issuing the warning. I would have hated to see the discussion degrade to the Council of Elrond...

@Ryona 2: Thank you for keeping up with everything while I'm away. I'm sure everyone else appreciates it as well You deserve a good back rub

[Sighlent]

I think we should vote on the world's name! If so I already have a name I'd like to submit. XD

[Kalon Ordona II]

*resists... urge... to come up with... names....*
I don't want to leave my mark on this one, since I'm already everywhere in everyone's avatars so I'd rather stay out of the naming of the world.

*resists... urge... to come up with... names....*

[Gadreille]

Kalon, submitting a name doesn't mean it will be chosen, so you should go ahead and submit one. Then if it isn't used, you or someone else can recycle it!

Sigh, you can send me your name or post it here, either way.
I want 5 submissions minimum, but the more the merrier!

[Gabe]

This may seem like a dumb question but...
How advanced is the technology in this world? I've got a general idea of where we stand considering swords and magic are involved, but are we to the point of large structures and weapons like catapults, trebuchets, or maybe things like crossbows or even primitive black powder guns? This is important to my country considering their industry is war and little else. I don't want to overpower them or spark any disputes, but I would like to establish that they are arguably the masters of warfare of the known world. If that is too bold, please say so! It seems as though everyone has unique attributes and cultures, and that was the aspect I wanted to claim for the Ayre.
Depending on what everyone thinks I can start a bit of historical background for the Ayre as well as a more specific backstory for Nilus and how he reached his position at such a young age.

[Gadreille]

This may seem like a dumb question but...
How advanced is the technology in this world? I've got a general idea of where we stand considering swords and magic are involved, but are we to the point of large structures and weapons like catapults, trebuchets, or maybe things like crossbows or even primitive black powder guns? This is important to my country considering their industry is war and little else. I don't want to overpower them or spark any disputes, but I would like to establish that they are arguably the masters of warfare of the known world. If that is too bold, please say so! It seems as though everyone has unique attributes and cultures, and that was the aspect I wanted to claim for the Ayre.
Depending on what everyone thinks I can start a bit of historical background for the Ayre as well as a more specific backstory for Nilus and how he reached his position at such a young age.

I think everything you propose sounds fair, except maybe black powder guns. If you have seen The Two Towers, you know that the Uruk-hai had use of catapults, battering rams, metal ladders with crank capabilites, crossbows, and even black powder in the form of a large bomb. I think you can use black powder, but I'm not sure if they are yet at the capability of making guns. This is just my personal opinion though, and you are free to argue for the guns but I would need more detail on how they work.

It would be interesting if you were the only area in the world that had access to explosive powder.

[Guest]

This may seem like a dumb question but...
How advanced is the technology in this world? I've got a general idea of where we stand considering swords and magic are involved, but are we to the point of large structures and weapons like catapults, trebuchets, or maybe things like crossbows or even primitive black powder guns? This is important to my country considering their industry is war and little else. I don't want to overpower them or spark any disputes, but I would like to establish that they are arguably the masters of warfare of the known world. If that is too bold, please say so! It seems as though everyone has unique attributes and cultures, and that was the aspect I wanted to claim for the Ayre.
Depending on what everyone thinks I can start a bit of historical background for the Ayre as well as a more specific backstory for Nilus and how he reached his position at such a young age.

I think everything you propose sounds fair, except maybe black powder guns. If you have seen The Two Towers, you know that the Uruk-hai had use of catapults, battering rams, metal ladders with crank capabilites, crossbows, and even black powder in the form of a large bomb. I think you can use black powder, but I'm not sure if they are yet at the capability of making guns. This is just my personal opinion though, and you are free to argue for the guns but I would need more detail on how they work.

It would be interesting if you were the only area in the world that had access to explosive powder.

Personally I would prefer not to see guns. Simply because guns are such a unfair advantage over swords and sorcery. You have to train for years to get good with a sword and even longer for magic. To use a gun can take an hour for basic instruction of how to point and shoot.

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