The Complaints Thread >:(
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Re: The Complaints Thread >:(
People can be so rude about things like that. That situation would have been very frustrating for me, personally.
Kathryn Lacey- ★ Administrator ★
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What's worse is that it is coming from a family member, and I don't think that family member will understand my point of view, even when others instantaneously understand how unkind the situation this person is putting me in is.
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That sucks. Family members tend to feel entitled to free help by other family members. This is part of why I can't deal with being family oriented. XD
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Hahaha, I know. And I don't mind helping people when they are in a pinch. But it's one thing to do a favor for someone that is in dire need, and another entirely to do a favor for someone because they don't want to pay for it. Honestly, that just makes me feel like my job isn't taken seriously.
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:: sighs :: My youngest brother deleted me as his Facebook friend for calling his father an asshole after his father called him stupid.
I guess I should give some back story...
TL;DR
I'm done trying to maintain a relationship with my little brothers when we have no common ground.
I guess I should give some back story...
- Spoiler:
- From the time I began hitting puberty - probably even a few years before that - my step-father has been a bully. It began with my older brother, and when it became clear that my brother was emotionally unhinged (meaning angry enough to have to go to a mental facility for a bit of time for fear of his hurting both himself and his family), that bullying was transferred onto me.
He would make rude and extremely inappropriate remarks about my appearance first. He'd call my budding, eleven-year-old breasts mosquito bites. He's make fun of my acne which was really bad at the time. Pretty much anything. He wasn't a pedophile. He was just insecure and has very little idea about social etiquette. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a mild form of Aspergers since my younger (the middle child with me) was also diagnosed with it.
Anyway, eventually, being rude about my adolescent appearance wasn't enough. It became obvious that I was becoming smarter, and he decided to take cracks at that, too. Instead of being a real parent and encouraging me to become smarter, he would make sure I felt like I would never really become very intelligent. Any time I used words that he thought were too big, he'd use his most condescending tone to say things like, "Well, that's a big word you're using."
My mother heard him say that once to me, and she responded with, "Why? Because you don't understand what it means?"
While I was infinitely grateful for my mother's defense of me against Frank's constant bullying, I feel like she was part of the problem. You see, she bullied him daily as well. She would call him emasculating names and make him feel stupid and shitty, and he was too weak to leave her ass in the cold like he probably should have. He instead took out his feelings of inferiority on her children (who were not his).
At least... I always thought that he only took it out on my older brother and me, leaving his two sons - my half-brothers - free and clear.
I realized I was wrong when I saw an exchange on Facebook.
My youngest brother posted a pretty typical status (in which all grammar and punctuation has been corrected):
Andy: "We have smart computers, smart phones, smart cars... When are we going to start making smart PEOPLE?"
Frank: "When YOUR IQ is over 40."
Seeing him respond like that to my youngest brother made me realize that his bullying will never end, that he has no qualms with bullying his youngest son despite him being blood. After all, Frankie (the brother who is in the middle with me) is his favorite child, not Andy, and I've made that assessment based on the way he treats both boys.
I can take a lot of shit directed toward me. I, however, cannot take it directed at my brothers or my friends or people I just downright respect.
I responded with, "Frank, you're kind of an asshole."
A few minutes later, I got a message from Andy that read, "That was very rude of you to call my father an asshole. Thanks!"
I also realized that he deleted me as his friend on Facebook. I let him know that Frank's behavior, in my eyes, was unacceptable. That as a parent, he should be trying to encourage greatness, not trying to make his children feel like shit.
The thing is... I'm not close with my brothers. Part of me often feels like I should be there for them and defend them because my older brother (with whom I was close until his death) did that for me. Isn't that what older siblings are supposed to do? Well, it obviously isn't appreciated, so why should I even bother? I've never been family oriented. I've never been good at it, and it's, quite frankly, too much effort to try to help someone who doesn't want to be helped.
I once witnessed a girl around my age being bullied by people who were fat-shaming her because she was a bigger girl. I yelled at them because I felt it wasn't right, and when I tried to ask her if she was okay, she yelled in my face. I didn't expect her to bow down and thank me for my generous efforts. I didn't expect anything from her, and yet, she responded with rage that I would dare try to help her.
This is what's happened with my brother, and I'm so done. Just like I left that girl alone for all eternity - though I was civil with her on the occasions we crossed paths - I'm going to leave that side of my family alone.
I know my mom would probably be irritated that I'm going to basically stay out of their lives for good, but she's not exactly here to be the only common ground we have. My grandma is also going to be irritated and try to convince me otherwise, but I don't care. Honestly, my grandma likes them about as much as I do, and I know she dislikes her son-in-law even more than I do (even after my experiences with him).
My younger brothers and I are the only things she has left of her only daughter, and family has always been greatly important to her. I don't think she's weak for clinging to that, for trying to stay in contact with them even if it means forcing herself to choke down Frank's company. I think it takes great fortitude to deal with them all, and I respect her for it. I just can't deal with them myself.
I don't think it's weak of me to do that, either. If you have a poisonous friendship that just makes you stressed and upset, you end that friendship, so why shouldn't the same be said of family? Because they share some similar genetics? Fuck that. Blood is thicker than water (The Blood of the Covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.).
TL;DR
I'm done trying to maintain a relationship with my little brothers when we have no common ground.
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Something similar happened with me and my cousins. He's going to attack you because he's not ready to accept that his parent...sucks.
I think it's fine for you to back off but, i encourage you to be there if they DO ask for your help. At this time though, the best thing for your sanity is to just let them all go.
I think it's fine for you to back off but, i encourage you to be there if they DO ask for your help. At this time though, the best thing for your sanity is to just let them all go.
Gadreille- ★ Administrator ★
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I for one complain that I no longer see my main nigga Knifey Keith around here anymore.
.... so it's not as heart-wrenching as Kathryn Lacey's story, yes. BUT GODDAMMIT I'M HURTING OVER HERE.
.... so it's not as heart-wrenching as Kathryn Lacey's story, yes. BUT GODDAMMIT I'M HURTING OVER HERE.
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It's not a competition to see who has the shittier story to tell. hahah Just because I've got some extra-crappy stuff tossed into my life, it doesn't mean no one else has the right to complain about things.
You're right that Keith has been pretty scarce lately... Where has he gone?
You're right that Keith has been pretty scarce lately... Where has he gone?
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My mother's been very insufferable these past few months and I'm really at my wit's end with it. Her hostile behavior towards me, and my sister and father, has been ongoing since before Christmas and I'm about to burst. So, ignore me as I let out a few months worth of frustration.
Long story short, my relationship with my mother is deteriorating and I'm quickly losing my interest in trying to save it.
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- My mother has always been strict. She's strictly religious and she's worked hard to pass her views down to my sister and me. She knows no other way of life and, despite being very narrow-minded and stubborn, I respect her for believing she's genuinely doing what's best for us. She's kept movies/books/television/games/etc. away from us that she deems "ungodly," and though that's frustrated me, I've never had much of a problem with it.
For the past year or so, my mother and I have begun disagreeing on everything. From religion, to politics, to how much jelly we put on our toast. I've come to accept that there's no getting my opinion across to her and that she won't accept that I have a different way of thinking than her. That's fine. She's very short tempered and interprets everything as a personal attack on her and that, I cannot stand. We fight every day because she believes I'm undermining her, or filling my mind with trash. She's begun vocally assuming my life is heading nowhere; she tells me I'll be homeless, taking government handouts because I support liberal policies.
Even when I'm right downstairs, she yells at the top of her lungs at my sister for a poor test grade. She warns my sister not to end up a failure like me because I have no future. My mom takes no interest in me, my hobbies/talents and she brushes off my successes as if I'm succeeding by mere luck. Last semester, my GPA was roughly a 3.7. I was asked why I didn't get a 4.0 because I'm slacking off my senior year.
Nothing pleases my mother. I've taken to volunteering at church every week, teaching Sunday school. Volunteering takes up my Saturday afternoons, Sunday mornings and, occasionally, Wednesday evenings for practice. My mom doesn't even attend church anymore and snaps at me for spending so much time there. Nothing pleases her.
I've taken to standing up for myself, only to get shot down, grounded and blamed for whatever minor problem we're dealing with in the house. If the dogs haven't been fed, that's my fault. If her show isn't taped on the DVR, it's my fault, if McDonald's gets her order wrong, it's my fault. My dad, in private, recognizes that she isn't acting fairly towards us, especially me, but says nothing when she and I are arguing. In fact, if anything, he comes to her defense and snaps at me for disrespecting my mother.
I'm not sure what I've done to earn her contempt. I try hard to please her, I reach out, try to take an interest in the shows and books she likes and I'm shot down every time. Her job keeps her out of the house until the evening, but, when she returns home, we exchange only a few words and she'll throw in a comment on how I'm a screw up or a failure before she heads to bed.
This has been an everyday thing since November. And I literally do not think I can handle one more day of it.
Long story short, my relationship with my mother is deteriorating and I'm quickly losing my interest in trying to save it.
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My relationship with my mother felt like it was almost over until I moved out. I know, in this world, that is hard to do...but I have been out of the house since seventeen, and during hard times I moved in with my grandparents rather than back with my parents. I don't think my mother and I would have a functioning relationship otherwise...
It sounds as though your mother is controlling, and losing control. She sounds unstable, though if she's always been the way she is now, there is nothing for it. If she is getting worse, there could be an underlying condition. That's very little help to you, I know, but if you can drop a hint to your dad maybe it will be worth it.
There are probably a million excuses/reasons why you can't move out, and I get it, believe me. But it's really your only viable option besides just spending as much time as you can out of the house.
It sounds as though your mother is controlling, and losing control. She sounds unstable, though if she's always been the way she is now, there is nothing for it. If she is getting worse, there could be an underlying condition. That's very little help to you, I know, but if you can drop a hint to your dad maybe it will be worth it.
There are probably a million excuses/reasons why you can't move out, and I get it, believe me. But it's really your only viable option besides just spending as much time as you can out of the house.
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Oddly, I had a better relationship with my mother after I stopped living with her, too. My mom was bipolar, though, so I don't know if that makes a difference. I just know that when we moved out and didn't spend every day in the same space, we were a lot more civil toward one another. The times that we did see each other were a lot nicer (for the first couple of days) because of the time spent apart, too.
I agree with Gadreille that your mother's behavior may have some underlying condition attached. Have you spoken to your father about this, too? You said that he agrees that your mother's treatment is unfair, but have you discussed his silence in the matter when things are actually happening? It could be helpful. Maybe your mother would be more willing to listen to her husband than her children?
I agree with Gadreille that your mother's behavior may have some underlying condition attached. Have you spoken to your father about this, too? You said that he agrees that your mother's treatment is unfair, but have you discussed his silence in the matter when things are actually happening? It could be helpful. Maybe your mother would be more willing to listen to her husband than her children?
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Thanks to both of you. I will be moving out as soon as it becomes an option. A good friend and I are planning on attending the same university; we both work, so we are looking at apartment prices and wondering how we can manage. So, as soon as the door opens, I'll be out of the house.
I've talked to both my grandmother and my dad about my mom's behavior. My grandma is a bit bias towards me, but, she openly admits she's not sure why my mom is acting this way. There's nothing in her childhood that would suggest some deeper issues. And, though my dad does agree the treatment is less than fair, he brushes it off with "Mom's stressed." My dad has a weaker personality though. My mom is typically the one who's in charge of the household.
Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong or peculiar about my mother. Maybe I'm too close to the situation to see reality, but I just think she's emotionally oppressive/abusive/whatever you'd like to call it. This hasn't been a thing for too long. My dad recalls her being wonderful and delightful when they were younger. And I do remember her being sweet and motherly in my early childhood. I just believe she's a strong personality preying on a household of weaker personalities.
But, then again, I don't know much of anything.
I've talked to both my grandmother and my dad about my mom's behavior. My grandma is a bit bias towards me, but, she openly admits she's not sure why my mom is acting this way. There's nothing in her childhood that would suggest some deeper issues. And, though my dad does agree the treatment is less than fair, he brushes it off with "Mom's stressed." My dad has a weaker personality though. My mom is typically the one who's in charge of the household.
Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong or peculiar about my mother. Maybe I'm too close to the situation to see reality, but I just think she's emotionally oppressive/abusive/whatever you'd like to call it. This hasn't been a thing for too long. My dad recalls her being wonderful and delightful when they were younger. And I do remember her being sweet and motherly in my early childhood. I just believe she's a strong personality preying on a household of weaker personalities.
But, then again, I don't know much of anything.
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Ysopet wrote:Often times, such an abrupt change in behavior requires a catalyst of some sort.
100%.
My old man never really understood how his alcoholism was causing his family pain until he threw my mum out of a car. He was then in a position that he had to take a look at himself and face all the shit that he had done in the past, he realised that he was simply following in his own fathers footsteps of violence and self destruction.
Now he's 2 years sober, a completely different person. Someone that me and my sister are proud to call our father, hasn't been easy… But it's a better road to take then doing time for setting him on fire.
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Knifey Keith, wow, that is a really eye-opening story. I'm sorry you had to deal with an alcoholic father for so long, but I'm so glad he realized the error of his ways and has made a real effort to change. So many people want to change and then don't follow through, so that speaks highly of your father for sticking with it. Thank you for sharing!
I complain that, after many years of being allergy-free, I have been smitten with the watery eyes, runny nose, and cloudy-head feeling all week due to the high tree pollen count in my area. Luckily, I'm feeling much better today after napping and sleeping a lot yesterday, so hopefully my body will readjust and not plague me all friggin' spring...
I complain that, after many years of being allergy-free, I have been smitten with the watery eyes, runny nose, and cloudy-head feeling all week due to the high tree pollen count in my area. Luckily, I'm feeling much better today after napping and sleeping a lot yesterday, so hopefully my body will readjust and not plague me all friggin' spring...
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Keith, I'm really sorry that your father was like that, but I'm really glad that he realized the error of his ways and took steps to be a better father; some people never change no matter how awful they become. Was your mother okay after being thrown out of the car?
I have some weird complaints that may not be actual complaints so much as my just venting so feel free to ignore them (except the spoiler titled bunnies... I need advice on that one...).
I have some weird complaints that may not be actual complaints so much as my just venting so feel free to ignore them (except the spoiler titled bunnies... I need advice on that one...).
- Dead:
- I've been watching this show called Dead Like Me, and last night, I dreamed I died. I don't remember how I died. I just know that I did die, and that no one could see me directly. Because it was a dream, if someone took a large back and put it over their head with me in the bag, they could see me and hear me, and every so often, if a person wasn't paying attention to anything, they could hear me.
It was kind of suck-ish. I mean, I am so opinionated, and I like people hearing what I have to say as much as I like hearing what they have to say; having them only hear me once in a while was total crap. Anyway, at one point, my white lights came for me, but I resisted. I wasn't ready. I needed to make sure Jonathan got my message.
I wrote on a chalkboard that I loved everyone (since half the people around knew I'd sort of stuck around). I then grabbed a large shopping bag and found my love and proceeded to do what can only be done in that particular dream, I wrapped it around our heads to talk to him. I told him I loved him, and that I wanted him to make sure my grandma knew I was dead and that I loved her because I was moving on. The white lights came for me once, and I could still feel them right on the cusp of tugging at me some more.
Then I woke up and when I went back to sleep I was still dead, still not moved on, but I had eyes in my hands like that creepy thing in Pan's Labyrinth or the Seer in Once Upon a Time, the only difference being I still had my two eyes in my head. That's when I realized it was time to get up. hahah
- Dead Like Me:
- This show only has two seasons. I like it just fine, but it's not as addictive as many other shows I've been watching lately. It's also not as emotionally tumultuous as many other shows I've been watching... Still, there was one episode where the main character's family wasn't being quite as dick-ish to each other as usual, and the mom and young daughter were bonding, and ugh... They were talking about George (the main girl who is dead which is the whole point of the show), and it kind of fucked me up. Like... I don't know. It's probably because I've lost my older brother, and this girl lost her older sister, and bleh... It just hit a little too close to home considering how emotionally unattached this whole series was before that point.
Anyway, I cried, and Jonathan teased me a little which is fine because people comforting me just makes me cry more, and I eventually went upstairs to order our dinner. Anyway, Jonathan came upstairs a moment later, and he teased me again, but then he said (not rudely, mind you), "I don't know why you cried. It wasn't even that sad."
To which I replied, "Maybe it's because I know what it's like to lose a sibling." which fuck... I wish I'd just shrugged instead because I cried for like half an hour after after that when I'd been doing such a good job of letting it fucking go.
I feel really bad because Jonathan forgets sometimes that I've lost like... every family member with whom I'm close with the exception of my grandma. He's not family oriented, and I'm not really, either, so it's easy to forget that the reason why I'm only close with my grandma is because my mom, older brother, and my grandfather are all dead. It's also easy to forget that just because someone moves on from something, it doesn't mean they ever get over it. He felt like an ass, and I wish he didn't. I wasn't upset with him at all over teasing me about crying. I'm upset with myself that I didn't just keep my mouth shut.
Talking about shit like this just... opens floodgates that need to stay closed. I mean, I can talk about things just fine when I haven't already been crying about it because then I won't cry about it. It's just that I hate talking about it when I have been crying because then I just cry more and it's stupid... I hate crying. It makes my face hurt, my eczema gets worse (salt tears dry the skin), and I get headaches from it. Bleh... It doesn't make me feel better emotionally, so there's no effing purpose.
- Work Sucks:
- Today was supposed to be my only day off today, and now I have zero days off this week because one of my CSR's is sick, so I have to cover her shift. I'm not pissy about her being sick. I'm pissed that A) my boss didn't schedule me for any days off this week except today, and B) my boss only has two CSR's when there should be at least three or four to each store (closing or otherwise), and C) the only other CSR basically refuses to ever cover any shifts when he's needed (which probably accounts for why our boss only schedules him once or twice a week).
Anyway, there goes any free time I may have had.
- Bunnies:
- Jonathan and I have, for a very long time, been adamantly against having pets. It's not because we don't like them. It's because we are rarely home, so it would be cruel to have a pet who was by itself most of the time without any real affection from us.
However, with my wanting to go to school full time - which will mean less time away from home because that will be my job along with keeping the house clean - I'll have time to spend with a pet. We don't want a cat or a dog because - while we both love them - I'm really allergic to them. He refuses to get a pet that has a short lifespan like rats - which we both love.
Yesterday, he texted me, and he told me that bunnies live up to ten years. For a pet, that's not bad. Bunnies are really cute, too.
Anyway, I've been doing some reasearch, and I decided that if we get a rabbit, I want it from an animal shelter. Basically, the vast majority of rabbits those shelters get are from pet stores and/or breeders, and there are so many rabbits in them that they have to start humanely euthanizing the ones that won't get adopted to make space for more rabbits that come in all the time.
Jonathan refuses to get a rabbit from a shelter. He said that they're cooped up in small cages all the time, and they're probably all abused, so we'd end up getting a temperamental rabbit. The thing he doesn't realize is that pet shops also keep rabbits cooped up in tiny cages all day without really socializing them, and there's no way to know if a breeder is a shit-head who just breeds them, keeps them cooped up, and doesn't socialize them. However, at shelters, they get their own cages, and they do socialize them. Plus, there's an added bonus of 1) saving it from death because it won't get adopted, and 2) having it already spade/neutered. Plus, I'd rather have a grown rabbit who is comfortable with people than a baby bunny that has panic attacks every time I try to fucking touch it.
Rabbits tend to get bitey when you have more than one, but pet shops keep rabbits in the same cages, and I'm sure a lot of breeders do, too. I see no point in going to a breeder unless one is dead set on a specific breed of rabbit that you can't get at a shelter.
I told Jonathan this as a compromise. I mean, seriously. Unless he can think of a specific breed of rabbit, we should get it at the shelter, right? It makes more sense, and that way, we're both happy. He's still not going for it. It's fucking ridiculous.
Furthermore, getting one from a shelter gives better insight into its temperament because they are less likely to lie just to get rid of an animal than someone like a breeder (who is likely just in it for the money) or a pet shop (which couldn't give a shit about anything) would be.
This is just frustrating. I always told myself that any animal I got as a pet that I didn't kidnap and force into a Stolkhome syndrome-like emotion for me would come from a shelter. I am, and have always been, adamantly against pet stores and breeders, and now he's undermining that. I will go without a pet before I get one from a pet store or a breeder.
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Kathryn, I'll offer my two cents on "Dead Like Me" and "Bunnies."
"Dead Like Me": I had to pause when you wrote, "I'm upset with myself that I didn't just keep my mouth shut." I would strongly encourage you (or anyone else for that matter) not to feel that way or that you have to keep quiet about things that you find emotional. I'm sorry that you've had to deal with those kinds of losses in your family. I'm an only child and haven't had to deal with major deaths in the family (save my Grandpa), so I can only imagine how much that must still hurt. I think it's especially important in relationships to feel like you can talk to your significant other about anything. I just had a long conversation with my boyfriend about our long-distance communication when he could tell I was upset and he point-blank had to ask, "What's wrong?" to get me to open up. I was terrified of confronting the issue, but he was very understanding and said that I should come to him immediately with stuff like that instead of keeping it bottled up. I know everyone and every relationship is different, but don't ever beat yourself up over your emotions. It already sounds like you and Jonathan have a great rapport and can talk about anything (I mean, you've been together for a long time, right?), so I'm sure he doesn't hold it against you or anything.
Bunnies: It sounds like Jonathan's views of shelters come from the extreme side where the shelters are little more than death row for animals, when in reality there's a lot of really nice shelters out there too that treat the animals really well. Have you tried looking at Pethelpers.com? They do a good job of profiling animals and putting them in a search engine. Also, a lot of shelters and adoption agencies have people foster rescued animals to re-socialize them and work out temperament issues before placing them up for adoption.
I'll give my cat Nyla as an example. I got her as a rescue, and she stayed with a foster family and was well-socialized with dogs and other cats before I adopted her. She is the absolute sweetest cat I have ever met, and that's not just my opinion. Other people say the same thing. She still has some kitten quirks, like a squeaky meow and can be needy for attention sometimes, but she's incredibly laid-back and affectionate.
Let me suggest a few compromises that might shift Jonathan's mindset away from the shelter stigma. Talk to some local vet offices in the area to see if they know of any people who are fostering rabbits for adoption. Nyla came from a vet tech, after all. Also look for shelters that let you go in and spend some time getting acquainted with animals that you're considering adopting. I know some shelters have private rooms where they bring in the animal you're considering, and you can pet and play with it to see if it has the personality you would like. Basically, find a shelter that WANTS you to come into the back and see all their animals. That way you can see firsthand the living conditions of the animals and can see that they're not trying to keep any deep, dark secrets of animal cruelty or anything.
Also, adoption fees are MUCH cheaper than buying from a breeder. Seriously, some dog breeds go for several hundred to a thousand dollars for a puppy, for example. I got Nyla for FREE and got her spayed at a Pethelpers clinic for FREE because I met the low-income requirement.
Best of luck with everything!
"Dead Like Me": I had to pause when you wrote, "I'm upset with myself that I didn't just keep my mouth shut." I would strongly encourage you (or anyone else for that matter) not to feel that way or that you have to keep quiet about things that you find emotional. I'm sorry that you've had to deal with those kinds of losses in your family. I'm an only child and haven't had to deal with major deaths in the family (save my Grandpa), so I can only imagine how much that must still hurt. I think it's especially important in relationships to feel like you can talk to your significant other about anything. I just had a long conversation with my boyfriend about our long-distance communication when he could tell I was upset and he point-blank had to ask, "What's wrong?" to get me to open up. I was terrified of confronting the issue, but he was very understanding and said that I should come to him immediately with stuff like that instead of keeping it bottled up. I know everyone and every relationship is different, but don't ever beat yourself up over your emotions. It already sounds like you and Jonathan have a great rapport and can talk about anything (I mean, you've been together for a long time, right?), so I'm sure he doesn't hold it against you or anything.
Bunnies: It sounds like Jonathan's views of shelters come from the extreme side where the shelters are little more than death row for animals, when in reality there's a lot of really nice shelters out there too that treat the animals really well. Have you tried looking at Pethelpers.com? They do a good job of profiling animals and putting them in a search engine. Also, a lot of shelters and adoption agencies have people foster rescued animals to re-socialize them and work out temperament issues before placing them up for adoption.
I'll give my cat Nyla as an example. I got her as a rescue, and she stayed with a foster family and was well-socialized with dogs and other cats before I adopted her. She is the absolute sweetest cat I have ever met, and that's not just my opinion. Other people say the same thing. She still has some kitten quirks, like a squeaky meow and can be needy for attention sometimes, but she's incredibly laid-back and affectionate.
Let me suggest a few compromises that might shift Jonathan's mindset away from the shelter stigma. Talk to some local vet offices in the area to see if they know of any people who are fostering rabbits for adoption. Nyla came from a vet tech, after all. Also look for shelters that let you go in and spend some time getting acquainted with animals that you're considering adopting. I know some shelters have private rooms where they bring in the animal you're considering, and you can pet and play with it to see if it has the personality you would like. Basically, find a shelter that WANTS you to come into the back and see all their animals. That way you can see firsthand the living conditions of the animals and can see that they're not trying to keep any deep, dark secrets of animal cruelty or anything.
Also, adoption fees are MUCH cheaper than buying from a breeder. Seriously, some dog breeds go for several hundred to a thousand dollars for a puppy, for example. I got Nyla for FREE and got her spayed at a Pethelpers clinic for FREE because I met the low-income requirement.
Best of luck with everything!
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It's not that I just don't ever talk about these thing. I just don't like talking about them when I'm already in an emotional state of mind. It's a lot easier and feels better for me to talk about it when I'm not already breaking down because then I just break down worse, and it makes it hard to even talk at all. Plus, there's a chemical in tears that literally puts men off, so there's that along with the fact that I prefer being alone when I'm upset about things...
I'm fine with talking about the crap I've been through. I just prefer to do it when I'm calm.
Jonathan wasn't upset with me about anything. He left me alone because he knew it was what I prefer, and I think he was more upset with himself for forgetting that I'm still affected by the things I've experienced. We can talk about anything, and we have been together for a long time (four years and five months), so I know he won't make fun of me for anything. I just don't like talking about things when I'm not calm enough to do so properly.
Thank you so much for the advice about the rabbits, Silvan. It's really helpful. I will definitely discuss those things with him in the hopes that he'll pull his head out of his butt where shelter animals are concerned. =D
I just looked at PetHelpers.com, and I'm not sure I really understand how that works... They seem more focused on cats and dogs than any other kind of animal.
I really love the idea of a foster bunny, though. I mean... It's always really sad because it's like... I'm taking the pet away from its family, but they get the pets knowing that they will go away some day, and if they want them forever, they can adopt them.
I think one of the shelters I was looking at last night does the thing where you can set up an appointment to spend time with the animals to see how well you may get along, so that's definitely an option.
The same shelter I just mentioned gives away the rabbits for just $30 (to cover supply and neuter/spay bills) which I agree will be a lot more affordable than going through a breeder. I think Jonathan is also against pet shops, but he's so set on a damned breeder... I need to convince him that getting a rabbit from a shelter or a foster family or a vet tech or whatever is going to be a much better idea.
Part of me wonders if this is because he wants to start with a baby rabbit, but I'll have to talk to him to find out. Unfortunately, I was going to do more research today to find out, but I got called into work.
I'm fine with talking about the crap I've been through. I just prefer to do it when I'm calm.
Jonathan wasn't upset with me about anything. He left me alone because he knew it was what I prefer, and I think he was more upset with himself for forgetting that I'm still affected by the things I've experienced. We can talk about anything, and we have been together for a long time (four years and five months), so I know he won't make fun of me for anything. I just don't like talking about things when I'm not calm enough to do so properly.
Thank you so much for the advice about the rabbits, Silvan. It's really helpful. I will definitely discuss those things with him in the hopes that he'll pull his head out of his butt where shelter animals are concerned. =D
I just looked at PetHelpers.com, and I'm not sure I really understand how that works... They seem more focused on cats and dogs than any other kind of animal.
I really love the idea of a foster bunny, though. I mean... It's always really sad because it's like... I'm taking the pet away from its family, but they get the pets knowing that they will go away some day, and if they want them forever, they can adopt them.
I think one of the shelters I was looking at last night does the thing where you can set up an appointment to spend time with the animals to see how well you may get along, so that's definitely an option.
The same shelter I just mentioned gives away the rabbits for just $30 (to cover supply and neuter/spay bills) which I agree will be a lot more affordable than going through a breeder. I think Jonathan is also against pet shops, but he's so set on a damned breeder... I need to convince him that getting a rabbit from a shelter or a foster family or a vet tech or whatever is going to be a much better idea.
Part of me wonders if this is because he wants to start with a baby rabbit, but I'll have to talk to him to find out. Unfortunately, I was going to do more research today to find out, but I got called into work.
- More Job Complaints:
- What's also awesome is it sounds like the shift lead didn't even bother calling the other CSR to see if he would cover the shift. Seriously? I'm not a fucking CSR. I am a last resort for filling a shift for a CSR if no one else can/will do it because I'm a shift lead. I'm really fed up with how everyone at work is treating me like a CSR lately. It's bullshit. Not only that, but they have us fucking sign walking which is not something I signed up to do or am even remotely okay with doing, but I have no other choice. Ugh... I'm so sick of this job. It was getting better when we started closing because the ridiculous level of sales goals subsided, but I guess they thought we were getting too happy and decided to add a whole bunch of shitty tasks to it that we never agreed to do.
I only have twenty-five days left of this crap.
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Re: The Complaints Thread >:(
Katryn,
As an avid pet lover, I applaude your choice to adopt from a shelter. Every point you make is spot n and as you said you are saving a life. If Jonathan insists on a baby, you may find one at the shelter as well. Take him along and spend time with the animlas and (in my experience) one will adopt you.
I too shun all pet shops and breeders. There are too many unwanted animals (through no fault of their own) in the world to subsidize someone breeding even more. I foster animals in my home since I have a big fenced yard and find the kids I take in to be loving and wonderful pets.
Good luck and I hope things work out for the better.
P.S. Congrats on going back to school.
As an avid pet lover, I applaude your choice to adopt from a shelter. Every point you make is spot n and as you said you are saving a life. If Jonathan insists on a baby, you may find one at the shelter as well. Take him along and spend time with the animlas and (in my experience) one will adopt you.
I too shun all pet shops and breeders. There are too many unwanted animals (through no fault of their own) in the world to subsidize someone breeding even more. I foster animals in my home since I have a big fenced yard and find the kids I take in to be loving and wonderful pets.
Good luck and I hope things work out for the better.
P.S. Congrats on going back to school.
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Re: The Complaints Thread >:(
Things are working out better. It'll probably be a while before we actually get a rabbit because I don't want it until I'm done with this Blockbuster job due to my having no time because of it.
Jonathan found a crack in one of his teeth, so we have to make sure his dental bills aren't outrageous before we consider the expenses for any kind of pet, especially because my being in school without a real job will stick him with most of the bills (though I'll be doing more of the rabbit-care stuff, so it kind of evens out).
I agree with you. I don't want to encourage more unwanted bunnies in the world when we can get one that someone decided they just didn't want. I think, though, that a lot of people are kind of tricked into thinking that rabbits are super cute and calm, so they'll be super easy, but they require daily maintenance and socialization. They're not like a cat who just does its own thing and occasionally will come to you for snuggles, and all you have to do is make sure there's food in the dish and that the litter box is clean.
I think once people realize how much work actually goes into caring for a rabbit, they realize they don't want it, and that's why there are so many rabbits at shelters. It's really sad. People need to do more research, and I have plenty of time to do as much research as I need to do in order to make sure I truly want a rabbit.
Jonathan found a crack in one of his teeth, so we have to make sure his dental bills aren't outrageous before we consider the expenses for any kind of pet, especially because my being in school without a real job will stick him with most of the bills (though I'll be doing more of the rabbit-care stuff, so it kind of evens out).
I agree with you. I don't want to encourage more unwanted bunnies in the world when we can get one that someone decided they just didn't want. I think, though, that a lot of people are kind of tricked into thinking that rabbits are super cute and calm, so they'll be super easy, but they require daily maintenance and socialization. They're not like a cat who just does its own thing and occasionally will come to you for snuggles, and all you have to do is make sure there's food in the dish and that the litter box is clean.
I think once people realize how much work actually goes into caring for a rabbit, they realize they don't want it, and that's why there are so many rabbits at shelters. It's really sad. People need to do more research, and I have plenty of time to do as much research as I need to do in order to make sure I truly want a rabbit.
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I'm glad to hear things are working out better, Kathryn. Pet ownership definitely requires a lot of thought and research before making that kind of commitment, so I applaud you for not rushing the process and taking as much time as you need.
I know for me, I had to give it a lot of serious thought, soul-searching, and examination of my finances before I adopted Nyla. However, I decided that the emotional benefits I gain from pet ownership and that kind of bond more than outweighed the costs. I'm the kind of person that psychologically needs some kind of animal to take care of, after growing up with pets for as long as I can remember. Even when I was in college with strict rules about pets, I always had at least a betta fish in a bowl that I would take with me when I would go home for breaks. And having Nyla helped me heal from the sudden death of our previous cat, whom we had to put to sleep due to a blood clot that took her within two hours. I did not handle it well at all, and the house just felt empty without her. Cats also are pretty much the ideal pet for my lifestyle, since like you said, they're pretty independent and don't need you around 24/7.
Sorry to ramble, but my point is you're doing everything right, and I wish you the best of luck!
Um...uh...complaint. It's...cold today? Actually, I need to go over to the Celebration Thread and make some happy announcements!
I know for me, I had to give it a lot of serious thought, soul-searching, and examination of my finances before I adopted Nyla. However, I decided that the emotional benefits I gain from pet ownership and that kind of bond more than outweighed the costs. I'm the kind of person that psychologically needs some kind of animal to take care of, after growing up with pets for as long as I can remember. Even when I was in college with strict rules about pets, I always had at least a betta fish in a bowl that I would take with me when I would go home for breaks. And having Nyla helped me heal from the sudden death of our previous cat, whom we had to put to sleep due to a blood clot that took her within two hours. I did not handle it well at all, and the house just felt empty without her. Cats also are pretty much the ideal pet for my lifestyle, since like you said, they're pretty independent and don't need you around 24/7.
Sorry to ramble, but my point is you're doing everything right, and I wish you the best of luck!
Um...uh...complaint. It's...cold today? Actually, I need to go over to the Celebration Thread and make some happy announcements!
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I actually think cats are my favorite animals because they're cuddly, but usually not clingy, they're independent, and they're low maintenance. However, I'm very allergic to them which is really unfortunate, so no kitties in our future. =( (<-- That's the complaint... >.>;; )
Anyway, rabbits live a decent lifespan for a small animal that's not a dog or a cat, and quite frankly, the last cat I had only lasted about three years because he had some intense health problems that probably stemmed from the facts that A) his mother looked like she'd gotten knocked up in her first heat, B) two out of four of his siblings had optical issues (one had no eyes, the other only had one eye) and didn't live more than a month or less, and C) he kept getting this wound on his foot that we would care for, but the vet couldn't figure out what caused it, and it would heal then come back periodically.
Anyway, it was hard, so I get where you're coming from. Pets aren't just animals that are there. They become a part of your family, so losing them can be just as hard as losing a member of your family.
I'm glad that Nyla was able to offer you the kind of comfort you needed at the time.
Comfort is kind of why I want a bunny. I'm going to be really lonely cooped up in the house all day (except for when I'm at school) while Jonathan is at work, so having an animal companion would be nice. I need socialization, too!
Anyway, rabbits live a decent lifespan for a small animal that's not a dog or a cat, and quite frankly, the last cat I had only lasted about three years because he had some intense health problems that probably stemmed from the facts that A) his mother looked like she'd gotten knocked up in her first heat, B) two out of four of his siblings had optical issues (one had no eyes, the other only had one eye) and didn't live more than a month or less, and C) he kept getting this wound on his foot that we would care for, but the vet couldn't figure out what caused it, and it would heal then come back periodically.
Anyway, it was hard, so I get where you're coming from. Pets aren't just animals that are there. They become a part of your family, so losing them can be just as hard as losing a member of your family.
I'm glad that Nyla was able to offer you the kind of comfort you needed at the time.
Comfort is kind of why I want a bunny. I'm going to be really lonely cooped up in the house all day (except for when I'm at school) while Jonathan is at work, so having an animal companion would be nice. I need socialization, too!
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I complain that Young Justice, the first quality DC show in a long while, ended abruptly today not only with the death of my favorite character, but with a massive cliffhanger that obviously alluded to a season three that we aren't going to get.
I have severe nerd problems.
I have severe nerd problems.
Re: The Complaints Thread >:(
That sucks... I hate when shows do that...
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I complain that my laptop charger cable has been sporadically dying for the past two months, and it just came back from a two week sabbatical to the technological after-life.
While it's nice that it came back, the fact that I can't trust it to remain alive is hindering me from not only actively posting in the RPs I'm in, but making me feel as though I shouldn't join anything new that may catch my eye,(I'm looking at you, Ysopet and his space pirates) because I can't reliably say I'll be around.
Machines!
While it's nice that it came back, the fact that I can't trust it to remain alive is hindering me from not only actively posting in the RPs I'm in, but making me feel as though I shouldn't join anything new that may catch my eye,(I'm looking at you, Ysopet and his space pirates) because I can't reliably say I'll be around.
Machines!
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That sucks! Is there any way you can get a new one? I would go crazy without my computer... Which probably means I'm crazy but, that's a seperate issue!
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Ugh, laptop woes are the worst! I hope you get the issue sorted out, or, at least, that you can suspect a little more stability soon. My laptop cords almost always break on me, so I know the feeling.
I feel like I'm this neck of the woods too often, so, I apologize if my rants and raves annoy anyone. But, we got the police report for my accident today and I can't help seething with rage. They included the other driver's version of the story, as well as mine, and, according to him, I ran a red light and slammed directly into him. This is, and excuse my lack of class, bullshit. You can tell, by looking at our cars, who hit who. Or whom.
I understand full well that it's hard to take responsibility, especially when doing so has consequences, but I don't know why someone would lie directly to a police officer, especially when two other stories called his out for its crap. He still got the ticket and my car's been taken away, so it's behind me now. I know I shouldn't be complaining, but it bugs me that he attempted to lie. I, for one, would be too terrified to lie to a cop. And, it's not just a difference of perspective. What happened is obvious.
I just wish maturity and general adult behavior could be expected from people these days.
I feel like I'm this neck of the woods too often, so, I apologize if my rants and raves annoy anyone. But, we got the police report for my accident today and I can't help seething with rage. They included the other driver's version of the story, as well as mine, and, according to him, I ran a red light and slammed directly into him. This is, and excuse my lack of class, bullshit. You can tell, by looking at our cars, who hit who. Or whom.
I understand full well that it's hard to take responsibility, especially when doing so has consequences, but I don't know why someone would lie directly to a police officer, especially when two other stories called his out for its crap. He still got the ticket and my car's been taken away, so it's behind me now. I know I shouldn't be complaining, but it bugs me that he attempted to lie. I, for one, would be too terrified to lie to a cop. And, it's not just a difference of perspective. What happened is obvious.
I just wish maturity and general adult behavior could be expected from people these days.
Re: The Complaints Thread >:(
Draco, I'm honestly not surprised they lied. I just witnessed a hit and run two nights ago (they almost hit me running from the fenderbender they caused). People just don't want to take responsibility, mostly because they've made a bad decision going without insurance or having too many accidents or some other reason that they know the wreck will be costly to them.
I complain that I am sick. It's the normal head cold/flu sort of sick, but I'm ready for it to be over. I would like to start breathing through my nose again.
I complain that I am sick. It's the normal head cold/flu sort of sick, but I'm ready for it to be over. I would like to start breathing through my nose again.
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I hope you're feeling better, Gadreille! Being sick is no fun...
Speaking of which...
I also complain that I am sick, and it could not have come at a worse time. My boyfriend and I both got sick at the same time on Friday/Saturday, so he had to leave a day early so he could get back home and rest a little before leaving today to start a new job. After he left, I spent the day burning with a fever and puking until I finally passed out from exhaustion. I'm feeling better, but I've got almost no energy and have a research cruise next week. We're supposed to be loading the ship on Thursday and Friday, so I've got to knock this thing ASAP.
It just sucks that my boyfriend had to cut his visit short because of this. I cried like a baby when we were saying goodbye, because he probably won't get another chance to come visit me before I have to move at the end of the summer. I'll definitely see him again at his sister's wedding in June, but I'll need to figure out when I can get away to visit him this summer between my thesis defense, fieldwork, and just friggin trying to graduate.
Speaking of which...
I also complain that I am sick, and it could not have come at a worse time. My boyfriend and I both got sick at the same time on Friday/Saturday, so he had to leave a day early so he could get back home and rest a little before leaving today to start a new job. After he left, I spent the day burning with a fever and puking until I finally passed out from exhaustion. I'm feeling better, but I've got almost no energy and have a research cruise next week. We're supposed to be loading the ship on Thursday and Friday, so I've got to knock this thing ASAP.
It just sucks that my boyfriend had to cut his visit short because of this. I cried like a baby when we were saying goodbye, because he probably won't get another chance to come visit me before I have to move at the end of the summer. I'll definitely see him again at his sister's wedding in June, but I'll need to figure out when I can get away to visit him this summer between my thesis defense, fieldwork, and just friggin trying to graduate.
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Re: The Complaints Thread >:(
One thing at a time, Silvan. It's the only way to get through.
I complain about a 3 day ice and snow storm that has downed trees all over town and left alot of us without power. I'm going on 22 hours. *ugh*
I complain about a 3 day ice and snow storm that has downed trees all over town and left alot of us without power. I'm going on 22 hours. *ugh*
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