Re: Emoria: OOC

[Guest]

Like I said before I am really sorry that I have to call you guys on it, but there is no official association and stuff.

Thank you for the support on this one Silvone and Ryona.

[Guilty Carrion]

Question for you, Raptor. Should Ayurent and Meyul and the higher up Tynir be aware of the Sythen's true colours? Since they're all chummy with the M.O.N.

And I'm gonna apologize now. I won't be able to post until tommorrow, at least. My new nights job is effing with me, and my creativity is robbed by lack of sleep. Sorry, everyone. I want to post, but I can't muster the juices to make a good one.

[Dax]

Alright, this is going too far.

I am going to add "At least thats what he thought" or something similar to my post, that should calm everything here. If it is because Raptor wants the Sythen to keep their 'anonymat', I can't make Jean believe otherwise because it is his character, like Silvone's is to defend, to attack everything different.

I thought I pressured that enough on my two last posts but I guess not. Everything Jean thinks is just that, what he thinks. Whatever he thinks is his problem, not anyone elses... unless it be made public. I, the poster, know that it is false, but my character, who is misguided and zealous, does not. If there are any more problems, PM me.

I just wanted to put out my opinion there before I went ahead and edited my post to end this thing. But hey, in an Rp with soo many people, I think that the fact that we are still together is much more formidable than the few dabbles we have found each other in in the past, and will most certainly have in the future. The important thing is to take ntohing personal, forgive and keep your cool.

Arguement ended. I am sorry my characters caused all of this.

So, lets change the subject.

Has it been decided on what is to be done with Fermata, Valinyx and the Sretin provinces? They were to be destroyed, right?


Edit: Alright, I edited my post. I think its pretty obvious that Jean is in doubt.

[Guest]

I think I was to hire out mercs and sponsor the destruction of the scretin provinces. I am unsure about the others.

[Dax]

Right.

To my understanding, the Sretin provinces were to have been razed, like you said, by mercenaries sponsored by you, etc. The thing to work out with them is who will be defending them. Vatienne is a close neighbor and probably has a few contingents loitering around there; maybe they are to be destroyed as well? There are to be no survivors, naturally. Oh, and do you occupy or just burn Breale to the ground, end of story… possibly taking the resources and such?

Valiynx... I have an interesting idea for Raptor. Well, I thought it was interesting. Raptor sends his magic folk up there (its snowy and cold up north, isolated and I don't think Valiynx has many allies it can rely upon) and 'turn it'. Basically turn the place into an undead wasteland. I just thought that since Raptor has few allies, he should be given some numbers to boost. I was thinking everything would culminate to battles on different theatres (destroyed Breale, turned Valiynx, Swamplands), ending in a massive showdown at the fronts of the Dark tower. Like the Third Illurian war... but on steroids.

As for Fermata, they were to attack the swamplands (maybe by the influence of the M.o.N?!!?) ... and be pushed back? Fermata and Vatienne are allies of some sort, but I think that we (I and Ryona) could turn that into an interesting plot twist for our characters. Basically Obscuracce is about to accept Jean's offer to be 'cleansed', because she thinks no matter how corrupt and bad 'the masculine culture' is, lycanthropy is worse. (I am just throwing suggestions out) However, after Vatienne, by obligation and fact that they themselves dont like the swamps that much, send a little something something to help the Fermatans (who lose anyway), it totally screws up and eradicates Obsuracce’s ideas of possible 'goodness' in Jeans society.

So yah, those are my thoughts. I would of PM'ed those concerned, but the ideas came to me as I wrote them so they may be shotty, but an archaic idea is better than no idea at all!

[Guilty Carrion]

Those sound cool, Dax. My only concern with the events of the RP is that...well, really it's seeming to focus heavily on the North. Us southers are just left in our Marshes and Jungles..

Does anyone have any idea on how to get the south more...involved in things? I'm kinda drawing a blank, myself.

[Gadreille]

My idea was that Fermata ceased trade with Jasidin Swamplands, and over time leads to eventual warfare, but I don't think the warfare has happened yet, or she would have known about it before she left? So, over time warfare begins and when she writes to her people they respond letting her know there is war and not to come back. Does that work? (I'm sneaking on between rolls, that is why my posts are so short)

As for immortalsin's lands, any ideas can be pitched as we have nothing planned.

Plague, they way you guys built the southern continent was reclusive with few people, so that is why we're having issues with that. Perhaps there is something going on with the mountains of night trying to expand downward?

[Shadow Moonseye]

The I'nak and Tynir march to war!

Nah, I'm just kidding.
That is a good question though; and any ideas would be appreciated. As I too am drawing a blank.

Edit: And that could be a good idea, Ryona. It would certainly upset the I'nak if they suddenly found dear Morgarath was trying to take over their beloved jungles.

[Guilty Carrion]

Accurse our reclusive-ness!

I'd like to believe Morgarath wouldn't even attempt, considering how he armed all the Tynir, and gave them the supplies for a fortress and all that. Unless he wants to make it more of a challenge...but, that just seems a little crazy. XD

[Dax]

The Tynir are a pretty big threat, I'd say! Thats because of the armament, etc.

Again, back to Fermata, is it possible the trading gradually dies because it is that Fermatan gouvernment has been occrupted?

[Shadow Moonseye]

Maybe he's hoping that the Tynir will help him take over the southern continent?

I dunno. I'm just throwing out ideas and stuff, not saying that Morgarath would actually do something like that.

[Kalon Ordona II]

Which things have been edited already?

I assume my post is fine, either because
A) the paladins have found out over the past millenia,
B) Alos knows and has told them,
C) the paladins have it only on suspicion, or
D) some combination of the above.

[Bird of Hermes]

My character feels a bit isolated since she is from one of the Planes. (I do have that Kiseen-thing going on with Loki's character that is going to be interesting.)

I know that the Elemental Planes are against the Mountains of Night since their old ways die hard (or, at least, that is how I would play the Elemental Planes on that issue). The Ionairus are much more involved in the goings-on of the Material Plane than any race from the other Elemental Nations. They are friendly with the Library and will accommodate nearly any one that are not with the Plane of Shadow (or, at least, as much as they know). They are a very tolerant and curious race (but don't think they won't stand up for blatant injustices).

Anyway, if anyone wants to include the Elemental Planes in any of their crazy plot ideas, just shoot me a PM. I don't want anyone to think they are purely isolationists even if they do like to stay in their little airy or watery or earthy or fiery homes.

[Guest]

Accurse our reclusive-ness!

I'd like to believe Morgarath wouldn't even attempt, considering how he armed all the Tynir, and gave them the supplies for a fortress and all that. Unless he wants to make it more of a challenge...but, that just seems a little crazy. XD

As you said that would be Crazy, Morgarath does not raise up a vassal state to then try to burn it down.

As for you Kalon, I don't think they would actually know I would say suspicion.

[Loki]

Fermata is the islands near Kvatch, yes? I'm posting from my phone, which isn't fond of pictures. I was thinking that they could be Khajiiti colonies and trade outposts.

Taking this route adds a few more options of how things can turn out in the south should the Tynir decide to rampage through Kvatch. Should battle ensue, the "good guys" don't have to win in the traditional fashion. Leaving this option open means that we could allow the Tynir to conquer Kvatch while leaving my species (and characters) alive by fleeing to their colonies and away from the Tynir. Again, this is just one option out of many, but it is one I would like to keep open.

[Kathryn Lacey]

When was it decided that the Sretin Providences would be destroyed, and why am I the last to know when it's my nation that has/had the closest ties with that one?


Also, I don't think it's right for Kalon's people to know about the Sythen. Just because they're old doesn't make them all knowledgable, and I don't think it's right for Alos to have such intense amounts of knowledge, either. He is not a God, he's just believed to be one, after all. I agree with Raptor that perhaps a suspicion is founded, but not knowledge.

[Guilty Carrion]

It was awhile ago, Kathryn. And it's because a majority of us liked the idea, and it sends a powerful message to the forces of hood. For now, we're probably hash out schemes and plots and what not involving it. You can pitch counter ideas, since it's not set in stone or anything.

[Kalon Ordona II]

It was a couple of pages ago -- or maybe it was in the other thread. They asked Sighlent and got permission.
I'll see if I can dig up the relevant posts.

[Gadreille]

Sretin can only be destroyed if everyone is OK with it. It was being discussed while waiting for sigh to decide if she's staying, and I guess you were out of town during that conversation or something. I guess you missed it? Anyway, obviously if there is anyone rejecting the idea we won't do it, I just assumed that you agreed since you had never stated otherwise.

[Bird of Hermes]

From what I deduce so far, we are still planning exactly what happens to the nations that aren't being played anymore. So, if you don't like something, feel free to suggest alternatives.

[Kalon Ordona II]

The discussion about it began here.


Edit:
There were more posts about it than these, but this'll give you a good idea.

I was honestly thinking about Sighlents lands (Breale? I think?) being destroyed. It would be a significant blow to most of the peoples of Emoria, and a stronger cause to unite. But that depends on Sighlents response.

Wow, yeah. I second the destruction of the Sretin Providences.
Not because I dislike them, but because I love them! I imagine the Shadow would naturally seek to mar and destroy the most beautiful and peaceful of locations the most. It's also a cold, brutal, effective strategy, since the Breale lands probably represent a significant amount of Emoria's agriculture. It would be a strain on other nations to be without those crucial resources.

The picture of peace, tranquility, wellbeing, and prosperity. A slap to the face of Shadow. A defiance of its cruelty. The natural and perfect target of its malice.

*shiver*

Yup, Let us do that.

-begins making devious plans-

Well, lets give Sighlent a chance to respond. Silvone and Kathryn are both trying to get ahold of her, so we'll give it a bit before we give the OK. She deserves a fair chance before we destroy all of her hard work just for sake of story!

If she doesn't come back or doesn't respond, I do think it would be an awesome addition to the story.

Sighlent has messaged me and informed me that she won't be participating in this role-play, and has given us permission to do what we want with her world-space, the Sretin Provinces. So, lets do it justice and destroy it good and proper! No...I'm kidding. We'll see what happens when we reach that point.

[Kathryn Lacey]

It's not that I object to it. I just object to the idea that I had zero knowledge of this until a few minutes ago. I mean, when it's common knowledge that someone has a big hand in something that's going to happen or will be greatly affected by it, a simple PM to would have been nice.

Sorry if I sound pissy. I know there are a lot of people in this game, but that's all the more reason to make sure that everyone is included in things like this.

Go ahead and destroy the Sretin Providences. I don't mind. It'll give me new alternatives in game-play to chew, and it'll bring more emotion to my character.

Kalon, thanks for that link.

[Gadreille]

It's hard to know who does and doesn't know certain details since the OOC is open to all of us, but I'll try and remember to do PMs in the future.

Also, Kalon, I would appreciate if you follow suit and don't let your characters "Know" about the Sythen. If I missed anything sorry, it's been a really bad day. Scratch that, a really bad four weeks...and I don't see life improving any time soon.

[Kalon Ordona II]

Alrighty, so we'll go with suspicion and inductive reasoning as the motivations behind my paladins' mental hostility toward the Sythen.

It'd go like this:

• Alos has a disadvantage next to Morgarath in that Alos doesn't capture and create his own army of minions, nor can he warp anywhere he likes. In the Thendári, he has finally found a means of countering the works of Shadow that had been going on long before he ever had a way to fight back. Nevertheless, he is a higher being in that he was part of the original Light Plane and is the Lord of Light, whereas Morgarath was created by the shadows to be their champion and conquer the rest of the world. As such, Alos would know all about Morgarath -- and he already knows all about the Shadow Plane, since Light and Shadow have been at odds from even before the other elements came into play. Alos might not know Morgarath's plans, but he does know the Shadow, and he does know Morgarath.
  
• Morgarath rules the Mountains of Night. Even if that happens not to be common knowledge, it is more than common knowledge among all Thendári, not just the paladins.
  
• The forces of the Mountains of Night have been harrying the peace and well-being of Emoria for millenia, mostly behind the scenes. And the thendári paladins have been fighting those designs and efforts, behind the scenes.
  
• The thendári paladins -- at least the higher-ups, if not all of them -- know exactly what Morgarath is and what he is capable of.
  
• The thendári paladins know -- or can easily guess -- that the Sythen are from the Mountains of Night.
  
• The thendári paladins know -- or can easily guess -- that Morgarath controls every inch of the Mountains of Night and everything and everyone within his borders.
  
• The thendári paladins therefore know -- or can reasonably induce -- that the Sythen are agents of Morgarath, and that one's presence at the Council of Nolwë is not only known by him but also is part of his plans.

Bearing all that in mind, is there any specific wording which Raptorman would like me to edit?

[Guilty Carrion]

Kalon, the Sythen wander the world, I think. Not just the M.O.N. They're nomadic on a global scale.

[Guest]

Yes, that is what Raptorman said.

Edit: I also have some ideas for the southern continent, but I need to contact a certain someone about a certain somethin'-somethin'...

[Kathryn Lacey]

Kalon, I don't see how the Thendari can easily guess that the Sythen are part of the Mountains of Night, especially when they don't make that area their home. Just because someone wears a dark cloak and doesn't look appealing, doesn't mean they're automatically associated with Morgarath.

[Buzzwulf]

Also, I think that there's another important distinction that needs to be made. Morgarath is THE darklord. Period. There's one of him, and he pretty much is where all darkness stems from. I've heard the argument from both Dax and Kalon now, and it seems that both of you seem to be under the impression that their country is the opposite, and that they are the be-all and the end-all of the forces of light and goodness and puppies. I just reccommend that you two get it hashed out which of your countries actually is the true force of goodness, if there even is one. Personally, I'm inclined to go with Kalon's claim, but that's only cause I'm a D&D buff and his guys are actually called "paladins".

[Bird of Hermes]

Well, there are two ways you can view that. You can say that the Plane of Light is ultimate good and the Plane of Shadow is ultimate evil; or you can view good and evil as a human-made device of what is right and wrong.

Either way, it is just a view. There is likely no 'official' good and evil. For all I know, Morgarath thinks he is good and the rest of the world is the real evil-doers. And there is nothing wrong with that. It's just a view.

[Hello Danger]

Still here! NFL draft is over! So I'm catching up with my reading now!

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