Re: Emoria: OOC

[Kathryn Lacey]

Saila's not sure about the second notion, either. XD

[Dax]

And this one final post will show Jean only thinking and all of the previous posts preceeding the meeting should have given everyone a good prologue as to what they can expect from Jean.

[Kathryn Lacey]

I don't know if I've said this in the past, but I'd like to educate people. ^^_^^

When referring to one elf, Quendë is the proper word to use. When referring to two or more elves, Quendi is the proper word. I know it's kind of hard to get the hang of it at first because ((in English at least)) we use the same word to denote one or more people from a country or to define their ethnicity.

One French person. Two French people.

One Quendë. Two Quendi.

Just thought I'd let you all know. ^^_^^

[Dax]

Oh, I thought it was the opposite.

Well, I will fix it then.

Edit: I fixed it and changed some minor components to my post in all. I hope it makes for a better read.

[Kalon Ordona II]

I don't mind. I'd want anyone to do the same for me. ^^_^^

EDIT
Um... Since quite a few of you did one of the following:
- forgot what I wrote
- skimmed what I wrote
- ignored what I wrote
- didn't understand what I wrote

Or any of the other ways that it's possible to go about doing things in any role play, I decided that I would "reinform" you all here.

In my first post, I wrote:

She had to go straight to the largest room of the Library where the Council would be held.

It was on the first floor at the back of the building, and before she traversed the space, she nodded to the guides who were positioned to lead outsiders to the room.

There were two doors to it, and a large table with many surrounding chairs had been placed within it for this occasion. As she crossed the threshold of one of the doors – both were open to welcome those who needed to be there – she noticed one familiar face already within the room.

I was referring to the Council meeting room. Several must have missed that because I've seen other locations and sizes and descriptions of it, but that's okay. I'm not angry. I just wanted to remind you guys. I know that I'm among those who often forget details like that, especially after so many posts are made. Hell, I even forget some things that I write myself.

However, in a role play this large scale, I find it helps to reread each post as I write, so I can make sure that I keep the proper details in mind. After all, if someone described their character as having short, blond hair, and another person described that same character as having flowing, red hair, it would be pretty incorrect. The same is true for surroundings and such.

Kalon, I think it's cool the way you described the Library. I don't mind if people want to add to its description as long as they keep in mind what's already in place and what's already been said.

EDIT #2
It's also not a secret room. They're not having a meeting around the Portal or anything. Very few people even know about the Portal. The only person that seems to make sense as having known about the Portal is Venteux because she guards it. Other guards would be NPC's, and there are those who specifically "own" the Library who need to know about it to ensure its safety and to hire guards and whatnot.

I'm actually kind of curious if there's a reason why Kalon's people would know about it. I know they're immortal, but if the Thendári character wasn't around at the time that it became all hush-hush, I wouldn't know why they would keep the knowledge of it throughout their nation because it's meant to be a secret. I'm sure the people who guard the Portal and whatnot would have specifically asked that the knowledge of it not be spread, even between those as highly regarded as the Thendári. You know? I'm sure if/when it's explained, it'll make sense.

I'm so sorry!
I hate it when that happens, and I went and did it myself!
I only made all that description because any previous description hadn't sunk in yet. I don't know how I missed the information in your post, Kathryn, but I guess we've all been calling a secret room, and there were the guides and everything, and on top of that we keep talking about the portal room being several floors below ground, so I guess it all got muddled.
Um... should we all... edit?
I suppose it does make a lot more sense to have it away from the portal. I'm not sure what I was thinking there, either. I guess thinking about the Ionairus's entry, how she said she was the first one there because she was always there guarding the portal, I figured the council room would be down near there somewhere.
Yeah, in hindsight, I think that's what did it. I'll have to go read the posts again.

As for the portal itself, here's my reasoning on how the Thendári know:

#1: The Nolwë Osto librarians aren't the only ones to keep records of things, and we're talking about thousands of years of the same people doing the same thing for all that time. Over the long years, the paladins by now have access to probably quite a lot of places and secrets. The portal room is a physical place; I'm sure they would have learned of it by now. Even if no one told them about it, they are used to astral energies because of the Rift on Irrihyánë, so they might even have felt its presence, even if we say it took a long time for them to feel it. The Thendári have, literally, all the time in the world. They can afford to be very, very patient. Extend the years, and it becomes more and more probable that they might discover something important, no matter how well it's hidden.

#2: The thendári paladins, working on behalf of the Light Plane, have become the mortal enemies of the Shadow Plane. They've been working behind the scenes for millenia, doing their best to thwart the efforts of Shadow--among other things. Their main stations are in Vatienne, their closest allies, and Taurë Arda, their land of origin, but they have inserted themselves openly or secretly into many different lands. The paladins generally keep a low profile, and they are used to operating on the high-up, behind-the-scenes level. In addition, their passion for the Light, their love of the arts, their disciplined nature, makes most people friendly towards them. Everyone who knows anything about the thendári paladins knows surely but vaguely of their general mission against Shadow. People are generally less wary of revealing secrets to the "good guys". So, over all those years, if people aren't as guarded around them, then there just might have been mention of something unrelated that could have been pieced together to discern the location of the portal and its secret room in the library.

#3: Alos. As a being well acquainted with the other planes, it stands to reason that Alos would know exactly where all the portals are. And if Alos knows, it's no wonder if his paladins know.

[Guilty Carrion]

I'm curious Kalon. Do you think the paladins would be able to infiltrate Korun Otak? The gleaming armour would make them stick out like a sore thumb, and the Tynir tend to be rather...unpleasent to those who start poking around in their business.

[Bird of Hermes]

I guess thinking about the Ionairus's entry, how she said she was the first one there because she was always there guarding the portal, I figured the council room would be down near there somewhere.

Sorry if I caused all the confusion. What I meant was that my character is always at the Library, not specifically that room. I think that I did mention that it was her first time in the Council Chamber.

-goes to make sure she was clear in her posting-

[Kathryn Lacey]

Kalon, I understand that the Thendári would know based on those reasons, but I think I would feel a lot more comfortable if only a specific group of that race knew about it. It makes absolutely no sense that an entire race of beings - immortal or mortal - should know about something that has been specifically asked to be kept a secret. I understand that they may keep records, for there are secret records concerning the Portal itself that have been kept. The point being that those records are secretive and hidden. Even those who work in the Library aren't aware of the Portal, and they work near to it every day without that knowledge. The Portal is also ten stories underground, so I think it would be a little more difficult to feel its presence.

Also, just because Alos knows about the Portals, it doesn't mean that he would know exactly where they are. Of course, he would have had to have used the portal to have entered the material plane... The rift you described was between the Material and the Spirit planes, not the Light and Material planes, right? If Alos knows because he traveled by means of it, those who guard the Portal would have demanded his secrecy. If he's such a good guy, it seems unlikely that he would have just told an entire race of peoples.

Wasn't it also decided that in order to travel without the use of the Portals meant being exposed to something incredibly mentally corruptible? That's how we explained the "evil" Morgarath's ability to do it.

Then again, passing oneself off as a deity could be considered the work of someone who is mentally a little corrupted. Who knows? Kalon, you should decide on that.


No one has to edit their posts to include the proper description of the meeting room. I just want you guys to keep it in mind for future posts.

Also, the guides are there because the Library is huge. It's easy to get turned around in such a massive building, and because not everyone who is attending the meeting would know where the room was, someone has to show them. It's not like it's right across from the entrance. It's on the other side of the Library.

[Dax]

Alright, so we fixed the problem with the Quendi/Quendë and now to fix another similar problem!

I was reading all of the posts so far, that are of impeccable quality might I add, and the error that I first let slide at first shall be corrected.

The demonym to Vatienne is vatiennien, not Vatienne.

I saw many times the vatienne priest or the vatienne man. If that were to work, it would have to be the priest FROM Vatienne or the vatiennIEN priest etc.

It would be similar to saying: "Hey look at the Canada politician!"
That doesn't work.

So this would just be for future reference, thats all.

[Bird of Hermes]

I believe everyone has stated mine correctly so far.

The singular and plural is Ionairus. Also, because the term Ionairus does not refer to a place, it can't be used as an adjective. You could say one is from the Plane of Air or even say, the woman of the plane or of the air or something similar. But never the Ionairus-(add suffix) woman.

Though, my character hasn't done much anyway, so no one has had the opportunity to mess it up yet.

She doesn't really like big crowds and is currently in the corner observing.

[Kalon Ordona II]

I'm curious Kalon. Do you think the paladins would be able to infiltrate Korun Otak? The gleaming armour would make them stick out like a sore thumb, and the Tynir tend to be rather...unpleasent to those who start poking around in their business.

I would agree, yes. Tynir and I'nak wouldn't really work for the paladins to walk about around, beacause Tynir are kinda friendly with the Shadow Plane, and I'nak are isolationist. Nobody at all, it seems, gets into I'nak territory.

Kalon, I understand that the Thendári would know based on those reasons, but I think I would feel a lot more comfortable if only a specific group of that race knew about it. It makes absolutely no sense that an entire race of beings - immortal or mortal - should know about something that has been specifically asked to be kept a secret. I understand that they may keep records, for there are secret records concerning the Portal itself that have been kept. The point being that those records are secretive and hidden. Even those who work in the Library aren't aware of the Portal, and they work near to it every day without that knowledge. The Portal is also ten stories underground, so I think it would be a little more difficult to feel its presence.

Also, just because Alos knows about the Portals, it doesn't mean that he would know exactly where they are. Of course, he would have had to have used the portal to have entered the material plane... The rift you described was between the Material and the Spirit planes, not the Light and Material planes, right? If Alos knows because he traveled by means of it, those who guard the Portal would have demanded his secrecy. If he's such a good guy, it seems unlikely that he would have just told an entire race of peoples.

Wasn't it also decided that in order to travel without the use of the Portals meant being exposed to something incredibly mentally corruptible? That's how we explained the "evil" Morgarath's ability to do it.

Then again, passing oneself off as a deity could be considered the work of someone who is mentally a little corrupted. Who knows? Kalon, you should decide on that.


No one has to edit their posts to include the proper description of the meeting room. I just want you guys to keep it in mind for future posts.

Also, the guides are there because the Library is huge. It's easy to get turned around in such a massive building, and because not everyone who is attending the meeting would know where the room was, someone has to show them. It's not like it's right across from the entrance. It's on the other side of the Library.

~ Alos isn't passing himself off as a deity. The Thendári don't so much as worship him as revere him. The've pretty much all subscribed to Sanctus Unus. Alos himself probably wouldn't allow them to actually worship him as if he were a deity. He's there to guide them, yes, but that doesn't make him worthy of their religious devotion.

~ Alos doesn't travel between planes without the use of a portal, nor does he travel through the Rift. He uses the Light Portal.

~ I agree that not nearly ALL Thendári would just know all this. Especially not huge secrets like the Enya portal. It doesn't even need to be all the paladins who know. I like your idea of a small group. Probably only a few paladins, with a need-to-know type of system for sharing information.

~ And we SHOULD edit our posts, if we were in error. I still can't believe I missed that information you mentioned. Continuity is very important.

[Bird of Hermes]

Similarly, the "Queen of the Crows" that I mentioned before isn't a deity either, if anyone was wondering. The Ionairus worship and revere her has a savior-like figure. They revere her, but she would just seem like a woman to others.

[Kalon Ordona II]

So yeah. I, at least, have no problem editing. I'll go reread some posts now and make the necessary changes.

Edit:

Chälan took stock of all who were present. ... ... ... ... ... ... ...; the expected Ionairus guarding the secret way to the portal; the silent librarian seated next to the Ionairus. It took another moment for Chälan to notice who he thought must be a Shadowfoot from Kvatch. Chälan was aware, too, of the ten paladins behind him.

That part (in bold) can probably stay? Hermes' first post says the portal chamber is directly below the council room. If not, I can just cut that bit.

Edit Edit:
I've edited the very end of my second-most-recent post from this:

Eventually they descended several flights of stairs, making their way along more corridors until at last they approached the secret room of the council meeting.

to this:

Eventually they arrived at a pair of ornate double doors, which was the entrance to the room reserved for the council meeting. After a moment of composure and final comments between themselves, the three thendári paladins made ready to enter the council.

[Kathryn Lacey]

Kalon, if someone travels by means of the Light Portal, they would end up on the Material Portal and vice-versa. When someone uses the Portals, they go from one to the next. They don't just step on a Portal and end up anywhere they want in the next Plane of Existence.

The only people who can travel without the use of the Portal are those who are extremely powerful, and that would be corrupting to both their mental state and to the boundaries. Hence, the rifts between Shadow and Material.

Morgarath is the only known character who can travel between Planes without the use of the Portal, so he's the only one who can travel from Shadow to anywhere else he desires on the Material Plane. He's also limited to traveling between Material and Shadow.

Also, I'm sure because Alos would know about the Material Plane's portal because he'd have been on it when traveling with the Light Portal, the Guardians would allow him to go home via it, too. The same would work for Venteux because her home Plane isn't Material. It would just be very secretive traveling from the Library to the super-sub-basement where the Portal is.


Don't forget that the doors to the Council room aren't shut. They will only be closed when the meeting itself begins.

[Buzzwulf]

Sorry about my little bit of absence recently- I'm hunting for jobs. I'll get something written probably by Tuesday or so, or I might just stay up really late tonight.

[Kalon Ordona II]

I'll edit the doors in a second. Also, since no one has already, I went ahead and did some more description of the council room, so anything you want me to edit I'll be happy to do so.


As for the portals, I'm starting to think I must have a misconception somewhere.
Here's my current concept:

Each Plane has one Portal. This Portal is located in the same place on each Plane, and is guarded closely by its respective planal inhabitants (I submit as evidence Venteux, the guardian for the Air Plane Portal) (lol, that's cool: "air plane"). Since the portals are all in different locations in physical space, regardless of what dimension they appear in, not all planes have access to each other. The Shadow Plane, for example, would not be able to reach the Light Plane, because no part of the Shadow Plane intersects the Light Plane. This is probably true for most Planes.

The Material Plane intersects the Light Plane from the ground to the sky, where the Light Portal just happens to be located, so it's possible to get from the Material Plane to the Light Plane at that spot. You could not get from the Light Plane to the Material Plane portal, because it doesn't intersect in physical space at that spot (again leaving alone whatever dimensions they're in), because it's underground, out of reach of the Light Plane--meaning, an araltári couldn't fly to that spot, so there'd be no way to access the portal. This would also mean that you can't get to the Light Plane from the Material Plane Portal. Since it's underground, the Material Portal intersects the Earth Plane (I assume) and the Fire Plane, which is how the fire creatures got through and destroyed Enya (right?).

Does that help explain my concept of it all? You weren't saying the Portals are teleportation devices, were you? That would ruin my whole paradigm. I'm thinking they're gates between the Planes, not wormholes from portal to portal between the Planes. Otherwise what's the point of having the portals where we have them? We can't have Alos coming and going out of the library's basement. Neither can we have a mass invasion of Shadow creatures popping out of the Light Portal, or vice versa.

[Kathryn Lacey]

Every plane is accessible from any portal. However, there is a set code that needs to be applied to get to another Plane of Existence. If you've seen the picture of the Portal I drew, you'll know that that code is not something simple that could just be guessed. There are way too many symbols that could be used.

There's also a limited space at the center of the Portal. At most, only twenty average sized humans could stand on it at a time, so there's no way an entire Army could infiltrate any other Plane in time to start a large scale war.

In a sense, they are wormholes of sorts, but I preferred to think of them as a set of tunnels that connect each plane. When the proper code is in place, it opens a tunnel from one place to the next.

Even if we did pretend that Alos traveled to the Material Plane from the Light Plane via the Light Portal without going straight to the Material Portal, how would he get back without the Material Portal?

Besides, there would really be no point to the Guardians or the Library if someone could travel to any position on another Plane from a Plane's specific Portal.

Actually, there would be no point to the Portals, either, or Morgarath's special ability to not have to use the Portal to travel to between Material and Shadow without the Portal.

The Guardians are there to guard from things coming into Material more than to guard from those leaving Material. The creatures that destroyed Enya came from the Fire Plane and appeared on the Portal. That's how the Quendi discovered there was a Portal. That's why they vowed to protect the Portal. That's why the Library is in place as a cover.

I see no reason why Alos can't travel between Planes via the Portal in the Material Plane. He obviously wouldn't be able to leave by any other way to get back to the Light Plane, so it makes sense that he would have to arrive that way, too.

[Guest]

Having noticed a bit of an issue I think it might be useful for me to offer a compromise of sorts.

Now we agree that in most cases a portal is needed for travel from one plane to another. However it could be that in addition to the primary portal on each plane there are a series of nexus points to which something with the knowledge of them can travel too instead of using the main portal. They still must travel through the main portal but they don't have to stop at that portal, it would be an extension, you can either be unspecific and just go to the material main portal or if you know the exact location and code then you could go to one of several nexus points where your end destination would be instead of the main material portal.

Similarly one could use one of these nexus points to enter the general portal network.


Or as a second option, we could say there are additional portals, call them lesser portals that connect only 2 planes like material and light together. That additional portal would also put an end to this issue.

What do people think?

[Kathryn Lacey]

Well, considering how many symobls could form patterns from Portal to Plane, I think the idea of "nexus" areas is a good one. If one knew the proper code to reach a specific spot in a Plane, it could be used. However, I still think that in order to go from one spot like the island where Kalon's people live to another Plane would require the use of the Portal to get there.

[Dax]

I personally find the first option more interesting.

It would be perfect, similar to getting points with an airline company the more you use it, the more you use the portal the more secrets open up to you.

Since Alos would use it often and his destination to the Material plane would be the thendari homeland, he would know of the conviniently placed nexus right in the middle of the island that has a complicated name and that I cannot place all of those accents correctly on the letters.

Now, heres what I think about all of this:
Nexus' are ONLY found in the material plane because that is where all of the planes touch and overlap (you know what I mean), I have the color palette chart of the planes in mind...

Say, if you were in the Light Plane and wanted to get to Kalons island, they would have to travel to the portal in the Light Plane and from there use the special code to arrive at the nexus on Kalons island.

However, if, from Kalons island, you want to go to the Light Plane, from the nexus (if you know that there is a nexus present and have the specific code) you could transport to the Light Plane portal.

Now, the thing that you would need to know the code and presence of the nexus coupled with your own powerful magic seriously reduces the use of a nexus by mortals, thuse leaving the portal in the library the only way for non-super-duper-powerful-beings to travel between planes.


All of this portal and planes business is starting to get repetitive. I say that in the Information tab we should put everything that has ever been said and agreed upon about the planes be put there and that people should read it over and over until they get it.

Now please, on with the planes discussion.

[Kalon Ordona II]

Oh... Yeah... Can I second Dax's way of putting it?

So basically the top of the unnamed mountain from which Alos presides over Aendrel is both a nexus and the location of the Light Portal in the Light Plane. That'd work for me.

I just can't possibly imagine Alos having to travel to the library over and over, causing an uproarious stir every time, and going down to the basement. Even if there was a secret entrance, it would be obvious which direction he was going.

"No, no, nothing to worry about. Just li'l ol' me, the Lord of Light, passing though. Oooh, nice books you have here. Now now, no need for all that screaming; I have a feeling sunglasses will be invented eventually. Anyhoo, don't mind me... I'll just sidle over to the... secret *cough* entrance and... uh... yeah." *slips around a corner*

Edit:
In fact, maybe there should be a nexus in the Material Plane--since it's the only place that has nexi--at each location of the Portals in other Planes. That way powerful people can just go back the way they came after going through the Portal. Or they can find another rare nexus. Maybe the further from the Portal, the harder it is to access the nexuses... -i.

Thendári don't have to count as powerful enough to access the nexus. They probably enjoy traveling anyway.

[Gadreille]

If you've wondered why I haven't been posting here, it is because 1. I've been ill, and busy 2. I'm sure you guys will reach a conclusion that everyone is at least willing to work with 3. tossing my opinion in here just makes things more complicated.

Now that you know I'm not ignoring you, I'd just like to mention I tossed in a short post. It is purposely short because I am trying to set an example to those who have not posted yet, that they need not post walls of text if they do not have the time for it. A couple paragraphs are better than none!

[Dax]

Gah, I totally and embarrassingly enough forgot to add Jean's reaction to the 16 elves entering the council room. Especially since it happened right after Jean would have stopped talking and would have easily noticed them!

So I went ahead and added a couple of paragraphs between the last and before last paragraph of my old post.

[Guest]

Glad my idea was helpful, I thought it was a pretty good one myself.

I hope to be able to post by tuesday, I just am not around much for these next few days.

[Bird of Hermes]

That part (in bold) can probably stay? Hermes' first post says the portal chamber is directly below the council room. If not, I can just cut that bit.

That is correct. How far below, however, I don't know exactly. The Portal is 10 stories below ground? Can one assume the Council Chamber is on the ground level?

[Kalon Ordona II]

Yes, thank you Raptorman!

And yes to you as well, Hermes. I recall Kathryn mentioned her post way back that said the council room was on the first level. Still can't believe I missed it.

[Hello Danger]

soooo... I just got out of jail. Worst thing I've ever been through. Internet still not set up, but I swear I'm still playing and have a post pretty much done-ish. I hope I'm not holding things up. Please, move forward with the story if need be. My pirate doesn't really need to be there, and I can just come in at another point. Just saying.

ps- do not drive after drinking, then text while driving to cause you to swerve. The limit in Florida is .08 I blew a .09! I might have had like 3 and a half beers! FML!

<3!

[Bird of Hermes]

soooo... I just got out of jail

I was like, 0.o. Then I was like, O-O. Now I am like, -_-.

If that made any sense.

[Hello Danger]

I was like, 0.o. Then I was like, O-O. Now I am like, -_-.

If that made any sense.

lol!

Yeah, I just got the internet... kinda. I have an iphone, and I'm tethering with it. Sooo, I'm going to try and get my post up tonight!

I have some reading to do first! brb

[Dax]

Its all good Hello Danger, no pressure on you, youre not the only one on whom we are waiting posts on...

*tries not too look pushy... but only kinda*


No, i am just kidding about the pushy thing. if there is one thing I know about RP, is that you should never interfere with the writing process of someone. Ever.

P.S. Hello Danger, i know how you feel about the alchohol and driving. In Montreal, they want to put it 0, a big ol' 0. Now tell me, how high do you think that rates on the 'potentially ruin your day' meter.
Yah, pretty high.

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